Karndean Issue...

Discussion in 'Vinyl / Impervious floor coverings' started by cash2609, May 17, 2015.

  1. pf flooring

    pf flooring Well-Known Member

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    Manufacturer issue....... It's not only there da vinci that does it, I fitted some art select not that long ago and for something that is their flagship product well I won't carry on as with karndean I'm like a broken record
     
  2. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    It certainly looks like a product fault unless the floor is so uneven that you can't lay the tiles flat! Even if you didn't have slight gaps in your new floor you could end up with some after a few years, the stuff can shrinks over time.
     
  3. RPB

    RPB Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Not sure it's a batch issue alone... I installed DV in our lounge, over the last few months I've noticed a lot of gapping appearing.. Although it's only half a mil or so, I notice it even if no one else does :)

    I do know, that DV is produced in 2 different ways., as I questioned why the bottom of the showroom planks I looked at were of a different construction to the ones my client had as samples..
    I was told there are two producers in China that they use, and that's why there was a difference.. (Whether what I was told was correct or not remains unknown)
     
  4. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    What adhy you use RPB
     
  5. RPB

    RPB Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Karndean Universal..., onto ply.. (I always opt for the universal.., can sometimes get messy, but generally a faultless adhesive.)
     
  6. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    And you got gapping ?
    I've laid shit loads of DaVinci and never had this problem even on PS
    Stick to the ke66 tho pal Wet set is the best way
     
  7. RPB

    RPB Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I think as I sit on the floor every day, I notice it more.. As said, it's only half a mil.., and no one else notices it.., maybe I'm just a little to much critical..
    I have also noticed, what looks like gapping is actually ingrained "dirt" along the bevelled joints..

    I always wet set., on good advice I was given.. :)

    KE66 = Universal ?
     
  8. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes
    slight gapping could be caused by slight temperature changes before the adhy has completely cured fully
    And yeah bad maintenance cab leave dirt in the bevel
     
  9. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Adhesive will not hold LVT in place for ever. Its always off gassing phosphates through its entire life. If the product is getting smaller due to off gassing then no single part adhesive will hold it.

    The speed it off gases at depends on temp. The hotter it is (so UFH) the quicker it will shrink.

    However , the amount of phosphates / Plasticizers will also have a big impact on how quick a product off gases. The recycled stuff will normally be worse as the manufacturer does not know how many phosphates / Plasticizers are already in the product. Pure Virgin PVC will be the slowest to off gass and will normally keep its original dimensions for the longest period (life cycle)

    Anyway, to answer the questions to the floor in pictures. To me i would guess at 3 possible issues !
    1- late placement into adhesive and not rolled
    2- manufacturing defect
    3- Mixture of the above
     
  10. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    If your flooring is shrinking through plastercize migration after a short period of time then you've defo got a manufacturer issue if it's laid in adhesive with in the correct open

    God flooring is a loose battle :confused:
     
  11. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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  12. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Without reading the link ( going out on a limb lol )

    Plastercizers basically give pvc and similar materials the ability to flex and move rather than be complety ridged and brittle Plastercize contain unstable molecules hense do not want to permanently stay where they are so migrate

    It's a bit like how unstable chemicals are used to make bombs
     
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  13. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Ok read it o_O
     
  14. mjfl

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    I went back on a carpet job recently. Initially the ground floor had Da vinci in hallway that I didn't install and yes there was a gap all away round the plank.
    I installed polyflor into the kitchen and matched Davinci in the porch, diner and lounge, it has all shrunk the same as the hall that I didn't install although the kitchen has not shrunk at all.. It all went down on ps
     
  15. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    You want to stick to painting
     
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  16. RPB

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    I think if a few people that have installed DV recently could look at the floor again, they may notice gapping..
    Wonder whether it's anything to do with the narrower bevelled edges shrinking by .25 of a mil??
     
  17. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Probably not pal There's two things that effect the size of a tile either temperatures or over time plastercize migration
     
  18. mjfl

    mjfl Well-Known Member

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    So how come mine matches the hall yet the polyflor is still nice and tight
     
  19. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Told you stick to painting
     
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  20. Trimmer

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    Did you take the DV out of its packaging and spread it out for 24hours?
     

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