Well you wouldn’t be able to pull the sides out and look behind them lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
To see if it is feasible and without flaw. Meaning in the real world without bits not tucked and fraying and unacceptable. Cant believe you even posted that.
I’d say it’s without Flaws but you might find some. How do you mean the real world ? This was real world jobs, pictures from customers houses not my own.
Without bits not tucked in/fraying etc ??? Why would you imagine it would be substandard? Have you tried it that way before? I for one have and it is indeed a much superior finish, takes longer granted, but a better finish nonetheless
To repeat my initial point: Where the gripper and therefore the carpet meet the newel post, there is on some winders a very acute angle, 45% or even less. In BS5325 it states (at least it did in the version I read last) that beading / quarter moulding / quadrant, should be removed on rooms so as to produce a 90% angle to fit the gripper and carpet to the skirting. By fitting stairs in this fashion one is doing the reverse to the common sense approach to a gripper installation, and creating angles of tuck that are vulnerable, pushing the installation technique to its limits. If I were to follow this method, I would feel the need to glue the carpet to the gripper and down the channel, as it would be just like fitting against beading on a room. In my experience, most fitters have enough difficulty producing neat winders by tucking, let alone with a more problematic idea. This is why they have been tucked for many decades. I certainly wouldn't allow a fitter to fit this way for my customers. And what about the turn against the newel post where the gripper is mitred on the photos and there is about a centimetre with no gripper. Do you attempt to tuck into nothing or do you turn this bit over?
Samson No one knows everything, certainly not me. But courses are here to help as all better ourselves. Why knock something because you don’t understand the reason behind doing it? Give it a go yourself on a mock-up step, you’ll see why it works. A little like fitting stairs bottom up, until you try it you’ll always thinks it’s a waste of time.
Coolevilangel, I don't profess to know everything either. I am often asking for advice on hard flooring on this site as much of it is new to me. But as for fitting domestic carpets, I have done this for over 40 years, and for a long, long time, I was considered by all who I contracted for, to be the finest fitter in the North East of England, including managerial staff at Fenwick and John Lewis of Newcastle upon Tyne. I am not saying I am right in my challenges. I am simply asking questions and presenting reasoning behind what I present. I am also waiting for replies to what I say. If I am corrected then I will gladly accept new techniques, but there are reasons why tried and trusted methods have stood for decades.
I've fitted for 20 years thought I was the boy as well until I went on some courses, turns out I'm not, fully grippering winders fitting bottom up all far far better!, Just go try it you'll see
Sack all that, I start at the middle and work down then go back to the middle and go from middle up, this is the new technique and works wonders keeping you fit. I'll be going on a course next week that fit stairs from left to right....now enough of your gripper talk, I'm the daddy
if youve been fitting for 40 years and are a god amongst the carpet game up north, why dont you go and do it yourself to see how it looks... exactly what i did,its a superior finish,theres no fraying on the edges or anything exposed,i can see what youre saying about some winders being stupid angles but for me personally i do 90% new builds and the staircases are all the same
Gripper on the sides is better. Go on...I dare you to try it....you might like it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
New techniques and products are always being developed and just because "it's always been done that way" doesn't make the new way or the new product wrong. Be open to new ideas. Why wait to be corrected? Give them a go, you may well be pleasantly surprised.
I have always turned winders but having read this thread I thought I’d try gripper down the sides. I was impressed with the finish and I found it quicker!
Sounds like I'm a bit outnumbered here. Can I double gripper them then? And bend the gripper round the nose where it meets the newel post rather than leaving a gap? Do you all know how to bend gripper?
