Hi fellas, I fitted a domestic vinyl about 3 months back, house stood empty for 3 months and guy moved in a week ago, The kitchen vinyl was very badly bubbled all over and they wont come out tho in some areas they do look abit better, The guy sead when he moved in there was abit of damp, but upon my inspection it was bone dry, The vinyl was laid ontop of old thin oilcloth that was fully adheard to subfloor, in the 2 rooms off the kitchen the utility and w/c both are fine so im leaning more to a reaction with the other vinyl ??? whats your views, ps thoes other 2 rooms was fitted streight to the asphelt sub floor and are fine. It was perimiter fixed with antiplas spray and sprayed also in heavy traffic areas ie nr cooker / doorways, Hope pic turned out, if not will put up again 1st time with these i phone things
I fitted a domestic vinyl about 3 months back, house stood empty for 3 months and guy moved in a week ago, was the property heated and vinyl acclimatised to normal conditions when you installed? The kitchen vinyl was very badly bubbled all over and they wont come out tho in some areas they do look abit better, Looking at pictures they wont come out, looks like a reaction with moisture The guy sead when he moved in there was abit of damp, but upon my inspection it was bone dry, What was the sub-floors moisture test result? The vinyl was laid ontop of old thin oilcloth that was fully adheard to subfloor, in the 2 rooms off the kitchen the utility and w/c both are fine so im leaning more to a reaction with the other vinyl ??? whats your views, ps thoes other 2 rooms was fitted streight to the asphelt sub floor and are fine. Yep you can have a reaction. The asphalt will also react but normally takes a few months even years to do so. Hence you should never lay direct on them. However the issues you have are not down to this reaction. The reaction from these types of subfloors is called plasticize migration. It takes months / years for this to happen. Hence you should never install over them unless you install a barrier coat like a smoothing compound. It was perimiter fixed with antiplas spray and sprayed also in heavy traffic areas ie nr cooker / doorways, NEVER perimeter fix vinyl. Also you should not spot adhere vinyl. Without sounding rude, have you had any training on installing Vinyl? You have made a lot of errors, have you considered going on a course maybe? For Vinyl you have polyfloor, tarkett, altro , Fita, floorskills etc. Many courses out there that could of educated you and prevented these problems. Just this replacement would possibly pay for a course.
Like Matt said it can be a number of problems, more than likely all of them. Sounds like damp, adhesion and not having a smoothing compound is the main factor.
Hi mate, that's damp.. had one the other week but it was like that all over.. not my job... I cut out a square left my box down four days reading was 92% used ardex dpm then screed, stuck it all over, worked a treat...
Hi matt, thanks for your deatailed post, yes i am aware the standards have not been met but at the end of the day its just a rental property, they dont want to spend and its a piece of lino that costs me about £50, in rentals i have done this before and had no problems and fitted vinyls for years with very few problems, If its a "real" customer and its going into their kitchen the prepperation and fitting would be of a higher standard, i was tought to fit carpet vinyl and wood years back and served my 3 years some 20 years ago altho i did attend a advance vinyl course about 4 years back costing about £300 and it was utter crap, looking at your courses they are miles better and tempted to do your LVT course after christmas.
A tad pedantic? The guys had a problem with a floor and is being honest about it? There's moisture in the floor we all know that, i'm sure he"ll learn from it! All been there, well i'm sure a few on here would deny that though lol
I know what you are saying mate. I did one yesterday, permitted fixed it. This guy rents this place and clearly didn't want to spend any money. I did gala felt back onto rubbish floors, the vinyl went down onto hardboard that was awful. I had no heating/ electricity in the flat and I'd say that vinyl will bubble but they just don't care. When I dropped the keys black. Old them and they just said yes we know there isn't an power, but that's what happens when we need the courts to get tenants out. It's ll good saying I shouldn't have fitted it, it should have had decent floors, I should have glued the vinyl. This is all in the perfect world. You turn up to a job and are confronted with problems, problems that landlords do not care about. They just want it on the floor and the next person moves in.
nk1 Totaly agree, if i stuck to the standards with about 50% off my customers i wouldnt have a sale, as good as the training cources are they dont give you "real" senarios....we can only work with the subfloor we are given and the customer wants you to lay on, What a good number of my customers say regarding vinyl.... Just fit ontop of ceramics, cant be botherd taking them up or screeding over, its bin done b4 and was fine. The council says i cant remove these thermoplastic tiles so it will have to go over. I just want this laminate covering, its only a temp measure. Shop down the road it £100 cheaper, i will have if you can match. Im a landlord and dont want to spend much. I dont want to pay for screed it was fine last time just over the floor as it is. Its frustrating as its always nice to do a "perfect" job but the customers dont want to pay, maybe on these training courses bring in some of the above situations because its 100% cery the guys will have to do some or all of the above.
Sadly there is no training courses telling you how to install incorrectly. if everyone worked to the standards (which are there for a reason) would we have issues like you have had? , If everyone done there job as they should would we have people working for peanuts trying to undercut the chap who is 'cheap' because he is not doing it correct? If you asked a electrician to move a socket that he knew was not correct would he do it with the required paperwork needed? or would they say NO, you cant do that, this is my price to do it correct ? (this is not directed at anyone or the op of this thread but how it is, i myself, and everyone else has done things 'wrong' but why do we do it? ) We all keep moaning that i was working for a landlord, it was a cheap job etc, there is no such thing with many other trades, there is such a thing as " a fair priced job but doing it the correct way" , while us floorlayers are going out doing it wrong knowing we are doing it wrong we are not doing our trade any favours. We are simply promoting us as a bunch of cowboys and doing nothing other than making our pay packets lower and lower every year because we are happy to bodge things. If we simply all did things the correct way in the first place we would not be forced to do things teh wrong way because 'he' did it etc.
and if it starts from day 1, as we oldies phase out it should get better for the ones getting into the trade??
what you on about? we all know its called LINO, just some people get confused and call softer lino vinyl? is that right ?
