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Discussion in 'General Flooring Chat' started by dazlight, Sep 26, 2015.

  1. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    What's your thoughts on this lads
    It's Earthwerks tempo on Forbo quick fit with a dpm foam underlay

    It's living , kitchen , hallway.

    It's like a trampoline on the bit where the double doors are.

    Also in front of the fire the planks have gaps of 3mm.

    It's been down since June.
     

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  2. mjfl

    mjfl Well-Known Member

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    so... how many skates on it at one time?
    What's the subfloor?
     
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  3. flooringman

    flooringman Well-Known Member

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    Hi Daz I presume you left enough expansion.
     
  4. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    Are they your roller skates Daz? Get the measure done a lot quicker like that
     
  5. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    Looks well ropey, sub floor must be all over the place
     
  6. Paul Dunlop

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    Hey, I'm assuming Forbo quickfit is similar too the jumpax system aka MDF. Has that radiator had a leak lately? Has the DPM failed? looks like theres a bit of expansion goin on there and without stating the obvious, moisture and MDF = boohoo!!. As for the 3mm gaps by the fire, Has the client had the fire on at high temps for short periods? Or had the chimney swept lately/ Gas fire serviced then soaked the floor whilst cleaning up and proceeded to 'dry' it out with the fire......Assuming all acclimatization was normal, pretty sure the Vinyl planks will only shrink that quickly (since June) through high heat and quick cooling cycles. Hope this helps. Dont drink n skate........
     
  7. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    It's concrete underneath. Damp I don't know.

    Ithere is no expansion on the LVT as its fitted neat all the way round.
    Don't know if any expansion on the quick fit boards
    Also was the quick fit boards acclimatised ?
    The fitter has been back and has said he's getting Earthwerks rep to come and look this Wednesday.
    I'm pricing it up for laminate. She just wants advice off me and prices to redo.
    I'd say in front of the fire no HT was used maybe.
     

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  8. Paul Dunlop

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    I reckon theres a few subfloor installation issues. The picture is showing what looks like a join in the subfloor 'grinning' through aswell as the humps and bumps normally associated with expansion of the subfloor. Interesting that it's bunching towards the door though......could be, the installer turned the direction of the subfloor at the door and its expanding differently..... To be honest i dont have great experience using the Forbo quick fit and to point out the obvious, with any fibreboard its still going to absorb and expel moisture in the atmosphere no matter how stable it is hence leaving the perimeter gap for movement and once that vinyl is installed on top obviously its a lot harder for the moisture to leave it. I suppose you could explain to the client that you have a few theories but are only educated guesses until the floor is lifted or allow the original installer to attempt to remedy it and put the ball in his court, saving you a potential headache?, while keeping an interest to the cause. Not sure the manufacturer will even entertain a product failure in this case as as you stated, apart from the gaps in front of the fire (which i think your right with wrong adhesive used) The finished floor has been competently installed and is sufficient.
     
  9. Distinctive Adam

    Distinctive Adam Well-Known Member

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    Product won't help with all them fillers
     
  10. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    Which Earthwerks? Full of fillers is it
     
  11. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm not keen on any LVT that isn't fully stuck to a solid subfloor.
    Dpm, screed, stuck with a wet set Job
    Done no problems o_O
     
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  12. Paul Dunlop

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    Yeh, although i can see the whole quick fit concept as a solution to certain jobs/requirements and i'm sure theres been a huge amount of success in applying it, i'm rather of the old school way of thinking and as open to progress and development i believe i am, i mean if something makes my life easier then i'm not gonna complain, I aint a big fan of re-inventing the wheel......Tried and tested methods will always prevail but kinda typical of the modern world tho where speed and cost is often, most important!
     
  13. Cre8tiveflooring

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    Tempo is pure pvc. I'd say the problem is with expansion. Should leave a gap all round, inc lvt.
     
  14. Distinctive Adam

    Distinctive Adam Well-Known Member

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    It's not pure it has a minimum of 35% recycled material within it - check the specs
     

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