Karndean Tenting

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  1. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Dan where the fuck are you getting this information from ? I love you mate but I couldn't disagree more
     
  2. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    You can wet set on ke66 in a hot room in the winter then turn off the heating and open all the doors and windows and the floor won't budge It's that good
     
  3. merit

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    I've only ever fitted one lvt floor on HT and it gapped. In fact it's one of the only floors I've had gap so I know it doesn't hold lvt.
    That's why I don't use it.
    I've fitted white wood plank on ps and been back to it and it's not moved a mm.


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  4. merit

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    I've not used ke66 so maybe it is te holy grail of adhesives but I don't really need it as I've not had issues with ps. I've had issues with LVT, mostly Polyflor and knight tile and I know it's not the adhesive


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  6. Spacey

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    It is the holy grail m8
     
  7. merit

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    It is the adhesive....the Ht adhesive in my case.
    I'm deffo gonna try ke66 but lvt will shrink if it's going to no matter what. I'm gonna wait till I get a little conservatory and try out the ke66.



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  8. Spacey

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    Dry fit then pull up in sections wet set in 66 it won't budge mate
     
  9. Cuff

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    Cheers for replies lads, going back to see customer tomorrow to try and resolve
     
  10. Spacey

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    Hope you get it sorted
    It's nice hear that you're more than willing to rectify the error Good luck
     
  11. Distinctive Adam

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    Ring f ball and ask what to use on ufh they will say f46 not f48
     
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  12. Cuff

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    Hi again. Absolute disaster. Customer basically not admitting to switching on ufh and trying to blame it all on me. I'm going to fight this one as much as humanly possible. Been back at my own cost to rectify and offered to re-fit whole job on new glue. Apparently not good enough. Well they'll not find me a pushover,
     
  13. AngryAndy

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    What do they want if they won't let you fix it?
     
  14. Cuff

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    I've no idea mate. It's now in the hands of Karndean and I may get other parties involved. I've spoken again to various technical departments and been told although they only recommend their own glue. F46 would have held it fine if the ufh wasn't put on. I'm quite willing to admit I didn't use the recommended adhesive but it wouldn't have stopped the expanding tiles obviously. In short I will not accept responsibility for the tiles now. In good faith I made a magnanimous offer and it was refused.
     
  15. merit

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    Be good to hear what Karndean have to say.


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  16. Cuff

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    I bet I know what they'll say. Wrong glue my fault. I doubt the customer will tell them they switched on the heating 45 minutes after I left. I want to be present or at least able to provide an explanation of the installation to put our side of the story. Anyone experienced this before? Not that I wan't it to go that far but what are the next steps ?
     
  17. Cuff

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    Been doing some more digging lads. Karndean recommend but don't insist on their adhesive being used !!!!! They also state you can use a PS adhesive in most applications. Nowhere does it say not to use PS over ufh. As long as the manufacturers guidelines are followed then it's fine. Now going forward I am only ever using their adhesive, it's just nice to know these things before it all hits the fan !!!
     
  18. Spacey

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    Karndean will say it's not a product fault
    And you used the wrong adhesive
    Probably a guy called Richard will look at it
     
  19. Cuff

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    I know it's not a product fault mate. It is a customer error though putting the ufh on. Surely they can't argue that ? Putting down F46 doesn't make tiles expand 3mm. Only heat can do that. On their own website it say they recommend their glue but they don't insist. It also says PS is suitable. It's a grey area. Will I be able to be present at their inspection ? I'd like them to hear my version.
     
  20. Spacey

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    We know its not a product fault but that's what they'll say.
    It's the heat that has made the planks expand F46 hasn't got got a strong enough hold to stop that so it's the wrong adhesive.

    Karndean only recommend there own adhesives In this case universal should have been used. If you don't use there adhesives the product guarantee is void.
    If it was a fault they'd change the floor but only if you've used there recommended adhesives.
     

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