Fix messy LVT (Amtico) install - undercut skirting & architrave ?

Discussion in 'General Flooring Chat' started by John Lintern, Apr 4, 2021.

  1. John Lintern

    John Lintern Active Member

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    I have a ATTEN AT858D+ Hot Air Rework Station (used for surface mount components on PCBs) which has temperature and airflow control, so I can use that to remove the tiles.

    Just need to know what screed repair I can use ?
     
  2. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    Take up the planks in that area
    Then grind the crack flat.
    Then use ardex crack repair
    Then ardex feather finish
     
  3. Rugmunching

    Rugmunching Well-Known Member

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  4. John Lintern

    John Lintern Active Member

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    Thanks dazlight/Rugmunching, any chance you can give a brief explanation what each one does (do I really need both) ?

    The cost of materials is starting to add up i.e.
    • £90 for a pack of Amtico
    • £20 for Amtico SF adhesive (£7 of that is delivery from Floormart!)
    • £30 for Ardex Crack Repair + delivery
    • £30 for Ardex feather finish (5kg bag which is probably more than I need ?) or £25 for UZIN 888 Feather finish (4.5kg bag which is probably more than I need ?) + delivery
    • £60 for skirting pre-primed (with the above costs I'm thinking Ill just re-use the existing skirting)
     
  5. Rugmunching

    Rugmunching Well-Known Member

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    I use ardex, 888 and instarmac feather but been using 888 more than the rest. Just depends if my trade counter has a deal on whichever and I take the cheapest :) I do prefer the ardex to 'bulk up' with more layers though.

    If your skirts are in good condition then re use them, done this a fair few times when I've had to remove them for laminate/wood jobs. Just have some fine wood filler from where you've dented them.
     
  6. tarkett85

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    Which is one of the reasons we have minimum charges, it gets expensive quickly try to stick with one system though if going Ardex stick with all ardex, if going Uzin stick with theirs just incase there’s any problems it makes things easier


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  7. Redfox

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    That’s a joke rip it up and start again
     
  8. Redfox

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    What trowel gauge has he used no primer aswell get a fitter in mate it needs sorting out
     
  9. John Lintern

    John Lintern Active Member

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    Never noticed that, I use an A2 trowel as recommended by Amtico. From the picture below they obviously used a larger trowel.

    Out of interest, why is the gauge of the trowel so critical ? What would happen if you used a trowel with a gauge thats too small or too big (as in this case) ?

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  10. John Lintern

    John Lintern Active Member

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    Slow progress but getting there....

    - Skirting boards removed and paint stripped
    - Damaged plaster board repair in progress
    - Tiles removed where sub floor is cracked

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  11. John Lintern

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    One quick question - the original feather finish/levelling compound only went up to the skirting board, so underneath the skirting board is the sub-floor.

    I was planning on filling the gap of the sub-floor with feather finish, presumably this is the correct way to do it or should I not bother ?

    I have the Ardex feathering finish (5kg) and the Ardex crack & repair kit (to fix the sub-floor crack).

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  12. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    The screed looks damp to me.
     
  13. merit

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    May aswell feather it if you have it


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  14. Rugmunching

    Rugmunching Well-Known Member

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    First thing I noticed too
     
  15. John Lintern

    John Lintern Active Member

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    Hmmm this is worrying ? How can you tell that the screed looks damp (it's not noticeable by touch) ?

    When I moved into the house 5 years ago, within a few months I noticed a stain around the plasterboard by the toilet. It turned out to be a leak from the clean water inlet on the back of the toilet, so the plumber repaired it (more great quality from new builds !).

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    The location of the downstairs toilet in comparison to the rest of the pictures is shown below for reference...

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    So could this leak from 5 years ago be the reason why you think the screed looks damp ?

    Is this something I need to worry about and if so whats required to correct it ?

    Below is a close up of the screed...

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    I've also opened up the sub-floor crack - I need to cut grooves for the pins but the angle grinder disc broke so I need to buy another...

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  16. Rugmunching

    Rugmunching Well-Known Member

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    You can see by the colour of your screed beyond the adhesive, does look abit damp. Whether you get away with it or not then fingers crossed.

    How easy were the planks to lift up?

    Reason I say whether you get away with it is because around 18 mths ago I did a full rip out and replace on a new build property that was just over 4 yrs old and they started noticing planks lifting on random areas after a few year and had some 'diy' handy man resticking them with sealant adhesive o_O
     
  17. John Lintern

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    Most of the planks (say 70%) took some effort to lift up, I used a heat gun to soften the glue when removing them. Other planks, particularly the planks that were adjacent to the skirting boards and were lifting up anyway (another reason why I started this job) came away much easier.

    When the leak in the toilet was fixed, shortly after the planks either side of the toilet (adjacent to the skirting) began lifting away so I repaired them and they seem to still be firmly stuck down so far.

    Some of the planks pulled the screed away so Ill have to repair that.

    The planks at the bottom of the stairs were repaired when I had some snagging problems fixed. It looks like they used the wrong adhesive as its different to the original adhesive.

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  18. Rugmunching

    Rugmunching Well-Known Member

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    May aswell rip that hallway up and start a fresh!
     
  19. John Lintern

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    It's not just in the hallway though, its in the kitchen and the downstairs toilet (cloakroom) too.

    I expect it would cost a fortune to have it all replaced ? Out of interest, any idea what the cost would be ?

    A plan is below to give an idea of the size...

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    I've removed all the adhesive now, so next step is to undercut the door architrave and patch up the screed before laying new tiles.
     
  20. Rugmunching

    Rugmunching Well-Known Member

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    To be fair you are going about it the right way so hats off to you. I think once you get it all fitted back then give a real good clean up and admire your work. Roughly on that size area and guessing the hallway size you would probably be looking around the £1800 figure with a fresh screed
     

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