when that dreaded moment comes, and you realise you can't use concrete nails how do you fix the gripper. my company gets us to use the super blue from stikatak, but another self employed guy i know uses the glue gun, he uses spray glue on the concrete first then uses the glue gun, which method do you think is best for the carpet and which do you think is easier?
The problem is often time, fast fix PU adhesive is good, but the type of glue that takes 24h is in the end is stonger. PU can become brittle and break away the same can happen with hot melt gun glue. Fitters use both methords, but time is always the rulling factor.
well this a difficult one. Rugrat has basically answered the question. Just to add a bit more detail! Spray adhesive used as primer works really well. However! have any of you read the COSHH (health and safety) info on the stuff? Spray adhesive must be around one of the most dangerious items you will use while installing flooring. However, used in the correct manner with the correct PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) it is maybe one of the best products you have sat in your van? Anyway back to the question, Hotmelt adhesive = instant stick of gripper. Downside is it does not like shock treatment. Best used with a slow stretch method. Quick stick adhesive = have to wait a couple of hours but o.k. please read the H+S sheets tho. Its nasty stuff. Gripfill / F32/ etc = 24 hours untill you can stretch on it. Best overall strength but again read H+S sheets, not as nasty as above but..... Epoxy Resin= sets in around 1 hour, Very rare product to find on the market, H+S again is a issue but better than most! Tapets= Instant grab, downside is there is alot drilling needed. Care for pipes etc underneath is needed.
our company, if we have time glue the gripper down the day before, but usually its right lads get into the house, you have 4/5 rooms to do all to be glued, sticks and felt, then layed that day, can be a nightmare, spesh when the boss says just get it done :lol: very usefull info matt, once again yes the spray glues very handy like, a boy was saying the other day that a doctor told him there was something on the tin that was really bad for you! but he couldnt remember what it was. ps we dont have any protective wear either.... :lol:
One of the side effects of using spray adhesive are memory loss. ! (trust me, my memory is fcud, possible down to spray but i think it was affected by another adhesive i was using. No joke mate, the chap i was working with has lost his memory period! He woke up not knowing who he was or is family. Its been 7 years now and he only has limited memory back!!!!!! Your employer (unless your self employed and subing) has to by law supply you with the correct PPE needed when working. Health and safety is a serious thing. YOU as a person are responsible for your actions that could effect others around you. O and when i say serious you could end up doing a long stretch behind bars due to using spray adhesive for instance! 99.9% of the time you will not have a issue but imagine using the stuff and killing someone due to your actions! (using spray in the wrong place at the wrong time) There is a big problem with the flooring trade and that is education. We are one of the trades that dont go on 'training courses' as we have been fitting xxx amount of years etc, but if you have been doing it wrong from day one you will never know how dangerous some of your actions maybe.
well its funny you mention that, the boy i was working with is self employed, but is contracted to our company and has been fitting for...20 odd years and it was him who couldnt remember haha. the glue i detest working with is F52 jesus that stuff leaves the taste in your mouth for days, away to sit down to a lovely sunday roast and oh ur beef is lovely and rich, with a hint of F52 :lol:
Hmm, you got me thinking now. Not only do I use sprayadhesive in the flooring side of things but I also use it daily for my upholstery work. During the warmer months the workshop door is wide open so the ventilation is good but at this time of year the door is closed so the atmosphere is far 'stuffier' . Haven't noticed any serious memory loss, but I do find I have to write things down !! I just put it down to being busy.
Ive done alot of carpet tile jobs with spray adhesive, (loads of furniture) after a couple of hundred meters everything seems really funny :? I hate the stuff but im never without it!
The problem is, spray adhesive is so good at what it does! We will all keep using it untill the day they ban it. But with the way things are going. If something was to go wrong its us/you that will get in trouble for using it.
problem is once you put on a mask the customer starts to panic and every ill to come real or imagened is blamed on you.they don,t think of exposure time or proximanty.all the hypocondrics will have a field day.
This no joke on the space suit, if you was all to follow the H+S that you should you would end up wearing a space suit! That is also why (yes im being serious again or maybe i should say "advicing you all the correct way to H+S") that you should supply your customer with the above suit! Or you as the person using the product should set up the correct ventalation to vent the house. We all know that this is not going to happen! :roll: Now dont forget im a fitter also so i face the same problems you lot have and this will never happen! What will happen instead is the product (spray etc) will simply be banned. No one will make it so problem solved. So let me throw a spanner in the works here on the next big H+S issue. Im not sure how we will all get around this one! Thermoplastic Tiles! Or renamed for you lot that dont know what they are, there brown or black tiles that are in most houses built from the 60's to around 2005 i think? We all nail our gripper through them, we all strip them up to screed etc. Did you know that you are not allowed to do either? These contain asbestos! YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK ON THESE IF YOU DISTURB THEM. You can not nail into them, you can not remove them! So what do we do? You are suppossed to have them removed by a specialist, so MRS Smiths bedroom carpet that was costing £250 for supply and fity is now £1800 for supply and fit and obviously the asbestos removal by a specialist company. UMMmmmm! I wonder if MRS smith wil be shopping else where ?
