When doing safety flooring behind a bar, in toilets or in a kitchen do you have to cap and cove it by any law or are rubber skirtings suitable?
No. But you should be leaving the flooring in a 'Fit for purpose' condition. In wet areas you will have cleaners slopping water around and in kitchens you dont want dirt getting traped in the join between the skirt and the flooring. i hate cape and cove and as it happens im trying out a new way of fitting vinyl with sit on skirts and a new way of doing cape and cove. However im still developing my method so i will be keeping it a secret for tyhe time being LOL
Matt there is another weld as it was a column to a wall in a communal shower at a sports club not far from me, both external corners are done the same. The corner is flashed in first heated up and bent round the corner in one as you can see from the photo its round each part of the external by 1 inch then I work it down onto the toe at the floor junction this some patience. But the finished product as I'm sure all will agree gives a better corner than the standard method, the weak point of any external is always the weld right on the corner. I have managed to develope this method over the years I know this does increase the welding to be done but I feel the end result is better.
Iv just do a vets with a pencil cove and butterfly externals, no cove foamer it look a lot neater and doesn't crack. Steve.
Yeah Steve I've done a few like that much better in my opinion check this link out and see whats about to come our way for coving and doing corners from Tarafit.http://www.gerflor.com/int/floors-for-p ... m,144.html
Jay that looks nice and neat wish I had the time on jobs to do externals that way, the new gerflor corner system looks kind of good aswell but I wonder how much extra time it would take espescaly when customer / foreman is breathing down your neck to hurry up as the unrealistic deadline has run over already, or is it just us down here thatdont get given enouth time on jobs
The problem with our trade is 'us' as fitters. We have enough time to do the job, but 'we' decide to cut corners to get the job in the first place. If all us fitters stood our ground and said "its not possible to do the job in 3 days, i need 5 days" then we would not all be pushed for time. Sadly there are to many people out there that say "yes i can do it in that time frame but i dont have time to do it to the best methods" purely because they know that if they say they cant do it it that time frame, someone else will. Us as a trade have caused this. How do we resolve this? The only way i can think of is to get people qualified to do there job to a set standard. For instance plumbers. They have to be gasafe/corgi approved to install a boiler for instance. If they cut corners and someone inspects there installation they will lose there job. So this 'standard has forced plumbers to work to a set standard and above. There is no cutting corners and they all seem to charge the same sort of money as a result of this. So, we need the same sort of standard in flooring dont you think?
I agree there needs to be some sort of standard /qualifications for those who are "real fitters" an actuall flooring standard qualification like corgi where you have to carry a card as proof but that would cause loads of up set set the price of the course to high people will moan keep it low every cowboy will be doing it, This could be a nice little project for you matt design a course that is approved by the manufactures open a training centre and rake in £ millions and be personally responsible for setting the standard of qualified fitters in Britain
The standards are already there, the NICF have been trying to do this for years. The BWFA are also trying to take this the next step forward. We also have the NVQ that personally i think needs to be graded better. But to change the NVQ it would need to be changed for EVERY trade. So then, we already have a standard there? yes? So why dont people work towards this standard? I will tell you why, well i think that the manufactories are the next inline to blame. Should they not all start to say that they wont guarranty there products unless approved by them, NVQ, NICF, BWFA etc? I think they should. You fitters might not like it as you all we be out of work unless you get 'qualified' . Talking of cost to get qualified, i offer FREE NVQ's to you all on here, so why have you all not phoned me and said "matt can i take my NVQ with you please!" End of the day its in your face and its free, why have you not all jumped at the chance? I think you lot have not done this because you dont need to at the moment. Again, who is to blame for this? Is it you the fitters for not getting prepared for what is coming in the future? Is it that the goverment have not made you all aware of what is going to happen in the trade in thr future? Maybe i should post up what its all about? do you lot actually understand what a NVQ is and why you all will need it soon (providing the goverment let the public know!)
Matt I'm very much someone who wants to see this happen we are a bit behind in the industry world wide in the states for example as I'm on their forum to they tell me you can't get on a work crew or into a shop without upto date certification, same in OZ and NZ. I for one have done my NVQ2 and now need to get my NVQ3 which is now being required here in London that at least one of the fitters on site has a gold card supervisor status. For the most time constraints on jobs play a big part in quality as do the under cutting of other contractors to win work, for years all I've seen is everything go up around us but the rates just keep coming down we have to work that much harder and faster which compromises quality. I believe the owness lies heavily with the shop or company to implement such a program where every installer on their cards is certified, there's to many shops and companies that will hire anyone who says they can fit with out checking out their work status or certification. Take M&S for example you have to be certified by them before you can do any installations in their stores, they implemented this to improve quality right across their stores, however 1 year ago my local in Kingston was re done. After it was finished I walked around having a look at the quality in my opinion very poor tiles off bond adhesive grin through screed grin through pimples blah blah blah. When really all they need to do is not to impose unrealistic time constraints. The people at the top like site managers and project managers are the ones who do their programs for example a site I was on recently showed me their program for my area for which was 5 days I said to him not possible I need at least 8, I've got dpm first then latex then cove & cap the area then body and border of lino with inserted squares as per the drawing then weld up. His answer to me was well you don't have that so you best get on with it and hurry, to which I replied then you're compromising the quality of what I can give your client, then he said well we best get some more fitters on it well I said that won't speed it up as this is a time consuming installation and has to be done in a certain order so most of them will just be standing around but you go for it fella call the office and see what happens.
That gerfloor one looks crazy, I think the way the internals are done now is great, looks good an water tight if welded correct. The external maybe different. When you have piece it one side it looks rubbish. And what about grooving blades , oh no!!!!! Will put that post else where
very old way got a template for doing int/ext still in the back of shed only drifference is weld went diagonal up the cove i still like this way no corners to weld
