Problem job.

Discussion in 'Subfloor Preparation' started by dazlight, Oct 12, 2011.

  1. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    At a job today, see picture.... only half the kitchen has woodblock under it. It was screeded over the woodblock and laid 2 years ago.

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    Has to be sorted as quick as possible.
    Thinking of going, rip up polysafe, take woodblock up on that half of the kitchen.
    Then green bag, 2 coats F75, stopgap 600 base then green bag again.
    Floor area for screed is 6m2.
    Can do mapei or ardex. Any other way which would be fast lads?

    The carpet at the end of the polysafe, picture 2, showed at risk on the mms. That is on woodblock too.

    I know about take old subfloor out and have a new one but that isn't goping to happen. The vinyl might cause a trip so thats the part I have to sort out.
     
  2. sidney

    sidney Well-Known Member

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    Why doesn't the customer get the original fitter to sort it out instead of having to pay you for someone else's cock up Daz? ;)
     
  3. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    whats planned sounds fine daz.

    Why the DPM tho?

    The problem in that picture is caused by the wood blocks sweating under the vinyl.
     
  4. Jay

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    Like it Polyflor herringbone nice an check out the kick boards on the units whats wrong with trades these days don't they take any pride in their work, the carpenter or kitchen fitter really ought to have scribbed those into the floor or the floorlayers really did a poor screed.
     
  5. scotflooring

    scotflooring Well-Known Member

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    Mate get 1k Turbo a bit dearer but far less waste and you can use on other jobs and far less time fannying about waiting to cure. I have seen the light thanks to Matty!
     
  6. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Ha hah hhahahhhh hahah hhaaa


    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Jay you are a funny person mate. :roll:
     
  7. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    You been using it mate?
     
  8. scotflooring

    scotflooring Well-Known Member

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    Yeah used on 4 jobs, great stuff really impressed
     
  9. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    I presume you was taking the pee Jay that a carpenter would actually do his job properly? all of the one i meet think as the plinth touches the floor it becomes the floor fitters problem to sort out. :shock:
     
  10. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    I was thinking there won't be a dpm under the woodblock. Why else would the floor look like that ?
     
  11. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    What sort of meterage are you getting out of a can compared to a epoxy?

    You say it costs more to buy in the first place which is true in your post but then say that you dont have waste, but wondering what meterage you get so we can actually work out just how much further the stuff goes compared to epoxy and maybe work out a true meter sq price for it.
     
  12. Jay

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    Yeah i was, i hate seeing that gone have the days when carpenters use to scribe that stuff into the floor, i've seen skirting that high an their excuse well you're latexing the floor aren't you and my reply yeas but only 3 - 4 mm not 20mm dumb arse. If someone don't close that gap up then squaters will move in....
     
  13. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    when you install a impervious product on solid wood it can cause it to sweat. Most bonded products are ok but its a 50/50 chance.

    However a defo reason for it to fail is when people screed over the wood blocks. They then fit a vinyl over the top and the moister left in the screed has no where to go but down. As its wood underneath they start to absorb the moister and start to expand.

    You are left with the above issue.

    Dont forget that wood dont all of a sudden move. The moister may of been introduced a while back and the wood is only now got to breaking point. Its not like a screed that say blows over a 24 hrs period.

    Also to add, i bet that wooden floor was fine for years but after a new flooring was fitted it decided to blow? look into teh reasons why and what has changed mate.


    BUT, depending on how teh wood blocks was installed they may of pulled up a surface dpm when they failed so yes a new DPM will be needed, well i say needed, all depends on moister results and what is being fitted.
     
  14. merit

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    Ive done 70 m2 with the 1k turbo and I reckon theres still another 20 m2 left at least! All been put on latexplan trade
     
  15. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    Cheers Matt, all I know is polysafe was laid 2 years ago when building was done up. Will get more info in morning. Is it ok to ring you tomorrow mate
     
  16. scotflooring

    scotflooring Well-Known Member

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    You say it costs more to buy in the first place which is true in your post but then say that you dont have waste, but wondering what meterage you get so we can actually work out just how much further the stuff goes compared to epoxy and maybe work out a true meter sq price for it.[/quote]


    Kitchen Diner 1 coat 22m2
    Kitchen 2 coat 12m total
    Toilet 1 coat 3 m2
    Hall 1 coat 6 m2

    And still got 1/3 of tin leftover
     
  17. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Kitchen Diner 1 coat 22m2
    Kitchen 2 coat 12m total
    Toilet 1 coat 3 m2
    Hall 1 coat 6 m2

    And still got 1/3 of tin leftover[/quote]



    So we are at 43 sqm and 1/3 left so far? :lol:

    how many tins of epoxy do you think it would of taken to do them jobs?
     
  18. scotflooring

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    So we are at 43 sqm and 1/3 left so far? :lol:

    how many tins of epoxy do you think it would of taken to do them jobs?[/quote]

    Tell me about it mate, that and the curing time is a winner
     
  19. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    why not mate, just about everyone else in the U.K rings me on a daily basis :lol:


    Seriously mate, your welcome to ring me any time.
     
  20. mjfl

    mjfl Well-Known Member

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    Not me, I'll just annoy you on here instead... :lol: :lol:
     

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