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Sticking felt backed vinyl

Discussion in 'Vinyl / Impervious floor coverings' started by Robroy, Mar 7, 2012.

  1. VitoManiac

    VitoManiac Well-Known Member

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    If you are trying to say that carpet spray is as bad to use as vinyl spray I would have to disagree totally. Vinyl spray fumes stay airbound a hell of a lot longer than those from carpet spray and stick to the skin in a way that carpet spray never does. I would agree however that it's safer to use with a mask of some kind and also to keep the area well ventilated but surely we all know that anyway?

    To answer the OP, carpet spray is perfectly fine for smaller domestic installations.
     
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  2. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Im talking health wise.

    You cant simply open a door and use the stuff.

    As your doing your assessors award i would advice you to read the relevant H+S on using the stuff correctly. Part of doing onsite assessments your responsible for checking people and others around them are following the appropriate H+S. Not having a knock at you as its not your fault if who ever training you has not covered this part of assessing with you.

    But i would defo look into mate as you could land yourself in big trouble being a assessor / trainer etc and not knowing the in's and outs of the products been used around you along with sites rules etc :thumbs

    You will find the information on how to use correctly on manufactures websites.
     
    Matt, Mar 8, 2012
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  3. merit

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    Didnt you have a picture on here of the correct ppe you should wear when using spray
     
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  4. VitoManiac

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    That isn't what I said Matt. I was making the point that carpet spray isn't as harmful as vinyl spray for a very specific reason. The carcinogens in vinyl spray are more widely aerated than those in carpet spray making it potentially more harmful.

    I'm well aware of the regulations regarding the use of spray adhesive having had to look into it when doing a job for a client who is a Doctor with an A to Z on respiratory problems.


    I meant to add, vinyl spray has the Health Hazard Xi which carpet spray doesn't.

    As Im sure you're well aware, Xi is attributed to chemicals that may cause inflammation to the skin or other mucous membranes.

    I know you know your stuff, but even you can't possibly know everything ;)
     
    VitoManiac, Mar 8, 2012
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  5. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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  6. mjfl

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    knee pads are a bit high :lol:
     
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  7. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    :lol: :lol:
     
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  8. VitoManiac

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    Now that did make me laugh. I hope you carry a spare for the customer ;)
     
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  9. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Did a lot of testing with spray adhesive ;)


    Not going to bother writting out which one does what and what effect and specific gravity etc and which is classed as the biggest H+S risk.

    My advice is simply treat them as harmfull as each other. You dont want to give out the impression that one is better than the other as people get the wrong idea and use the one that they think is 'better' for you.
     
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  10. VitoManiac

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    Well I'm not going to argue with you, I was making a point originally that carpet spray adhesive is suitable to use to adhere felt back vinyl not discounting the obvious health risks. I'm with you though on not promoting either one as "better", just applicable when the other one isn't.
     
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  11. Snugfit

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    Don't like sticking vinyls round the parameter as they tend to contract and expand and if they are stuck then they wrinkle. The felt backed vinyls are kinda nice to work with too.
     
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  12. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    as above, i always loose lay. if permeter sticking then a 'L' shape only should be bonded. As its a domestic vinyl it should not need sticking all over or at edges.

    Manufactures have many different views on the above.

    Personally i would say that if a domestic vinyl needs bonding then its not really sutible for teh are it is going in. A vinyl is normally bonded in a commercial area due to wheels etc running over it. Even if you bond a domestic cushion vinyl you can run stuff over it. Hence i would loose lay.
     
    Matt, Mar 10, 2012
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  13. tarkett85

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    although if the kitchen appliances are yet to go in i'd full stick saves any comebacks.
     
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  14. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    But you get to sell another cut when they rip it ! LOL.

    Even if it is not glued down it will still damage. I dont know why the bit name goods shops dont supply the chaps with the correct equipment to fit the appliances so they dont damage the floor.
     
    Matt, Mar 10, 2012
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  15. tarkett85

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    because they don't care like we do ;)
     
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  16. dannyboy

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    I always full stick all my domestic vinyls wether felt back or not. I even full stick a small bathroom.
    Never had comeback yet. Oh no now ive said that :?
     
    dannyboy, Mar 10, 2012
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  17. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    for what reason mate?
     
    Matt, Mar 10, 2012
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  18. dannyboy

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    I was always told to years ago. We never had a problem.
    Now i know alot of fitters that i come across lose lay and are forever going back to to ease the vinyl! Also i find that if you loose lay you tend to get arced bubbles where people tend to twist on there feet mainly round the sink and cooker.
    With normal vinyl ill use ps with barely a notch but with felt back ill use f44 with a part worn a2 blade. I know the notch sizes a technically wrong but it tends to work a treat. And no grin through.
     
    dannyboy, Mar 11, 2012
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  19. Matt

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    You shouldn't have to go back trim if it was installed correct in the first place.

    Fully sticking as you do is the safest way that you can cut in too tight etc and get away with it.

    I hate having to take the stuff back up tho :cry:
     
    Matt, Mar 11, 2012
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  20. dannyboy

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    The old paper backed vinyls are the worst i think they were armstrongs.
    Nightmare to strip up!!
     
    dannyboy, Mar 11, 2012
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