Did an Amtico job subbing for contractors who supplied all the materials the other night. They supplied this screed which I hadn't used before and was well happy marking out on the floor lerss than an hour after mixing it! (yes, i know you're supposed to wait 3 hrs) http://www.diysupermarket.com/ultra-level-it-super30.html I haven't checked what the trade price is but it's bound to be better than the above link. You can use it on wood as well!
i use it all the time its the dogs and about £15 a unit i get it for all instramac products are good i reccomend highly
I really rate Ultraflor products. I have just ordered 200 units of Level It 2, and its at a really good rate. We have used it, and abused it, never had a problem with it. Except when using it over plywood. It says on the bag it`s o.k. But it`s not, don`t do it !
I've got to do a hall, landing and bathroom in Safety flooring at an old people's mental home set in an really old property with big height differences (20mm in areas) and different substrates so I'm gonna uplift, ply over the timber and flood the lot with this stuff bringing it all to the same level, have a long lunch and start laying!
It was Level it 2, not Super 30, about 8mm deep. 150 Sq. M all broke up. No good. I would speak to there rep, before you use it over ply.
Super rapid 30! I had a nightmare with that stuff. 800 m2 of it and it was setting as soon as it come out the bucket! Never used it since. I reckon there was something wrong with it. Is it just me or are the bags massive!?
bad batch mate like above do not use over ply the reps will tell you you can mine all broke up to was a nightmare!!!
It was a sad day mate. Scrape, scrape, scrape, scrape When I spoke to my rep (not with them anymore) he said never use over ply. Save yourself some agro and use 700.......
before we claim the product is no good we need to know why it failed. So lets say the one with "dont use over plywood" If this products not recommended to use over wooden subfloors then its your fault. I cant comment if it is suitable or not as im not familiar with the product. If it is advertised as O.K then- (plus plywood is one of the best basis so not sure why M say you cant use I have seen plenty of failed products, that being "mapei, fball 700 flex, uzin, etc" but they have not failed due to product issues. Nothing wrong with the product. The reason why they failed was the plywood they was used over was a tropical oily species. Basically the wrong plywood / not flooring grade plywood! how can we expect a product to stick to OIL. (Not saying the installer has fitted wrong ply knowingly, how is the fitter supposed to know that the plywood he purchased from a flooring outlet was incorrect? , we are not all wood technicians ) Setting in the bucket I get many phone calls off people moaning that a product has set in a bucket or it wont set. So many things can make this happen. The main ones 1- installer error 2- Storage error 3- product issue Very rare its number 3 . 1- installer error. This can be the subfloor is very warm, maybe the compound is hot from storing in your van, the out door temps are high, the tap water you used is not cold, the air rh is low.......the list goes on. We need to remember that a compound is designed to set around u.k climate. So 18c with 50% rh is a around the average. Define average tho. this years weather is far different to 3 years ago 2- How do we know that the product was stored correct before you purchased? It may of been stored in a wet area? might of been dry? was it stored correct? we (the installer) dont know, we are trusting our supplier to do so. 3- Yep they have issues. Very rare tho but not impossible.
Same here. Done a screed wednesday in the stuff and by the time i mixed up another bag the first lot had gone off! could'nt blend it in. Went back Thursday and well my two year old could have done a better job with a shovel!! Oh and the bags are looooooong.
Who knows how it was stored, it turned up to us 4 hours late at 6 o clock in the evening by pallet force. Doing areas in the day and night and it's bag and bottle. All bags was the same. We were having to leave a bit out the bag and add water( reps advice! ) and get on it with a buffer after 20 mins to get the tide marks out. Luckily it was only carpet tiles going down or I would of been crying
As I said before, I rate Ultraflor products highly. I love there Level It 2. My mistake was this- Its says on the bag, suitable for use over wooden substrates. The ply was fitted by a builder, but fitted well, screwed at 3" centres. I primed, and laid the screed. The area was in HEAVY use, and after 3-4 days, started to crack, mostly at the joints. I phoned the rep, and he said, it was probably not the best product for the job. So, I scraped the lot up, and it came up fairly easily. Primed, laid 700, no more problems. Regarding it setting off in the bucket, well that happened to me this week with Green Bag. If its a hot day, and it`s a rapid set product, I suppose its to be expected. If it was laid at 0 deg mid winter, I bet we would be standing around wishing it to go off !
The rapid setting (30mins) compounds aren't supposed to be used in large areas, they're designed for small access areas like halls, walkways etc, places that can only be closed for the shortest amount of time possible. (well that's what F Ball said about FastTrack30)
AS you can imagine, instermac didnt have any issue with it being used in large areas. I wouldnt of used it if we were fitting vinyl. Like you say, we were having to uplift double stick areas, latex and tile over night so they could be re opened in the morning. Out of 2 palletts not one single bag mixed up differently, you could see it was setting before it was out the bucket!
when you lads have issues of products can you start taking room temperature and the rooms RH. If you post up the temp and rh we can get a better idea of what is going on. For example if you find you have a problem with a product in a low RH area you will know that in the future not to use that product in low rh areas and to use another product. When i say RH im talking about the rooms RH, not the subfloors. be nice to get some feedback for us all to compare to see if there is a pattern to the issues.
