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wages / rates for floorlayers

Discussion in 'General Flooring Chat' started by Matt, Apr 26, 2014.

  1. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    He all, im thinking of putting together a list of what a customer should be paying you all for installing. Thought of doing it a few times but keep deciding against it as different areas (like London) can demand much higher or even lower rates.

    Either i do this with your help and we keep it for the trade area eyes only or we keep it on the open forum for customers to see.

    The problems i can see doing this is that there will be some crap fitters with nothing behind them pointing customers towards here to show them they are doing them a good deal by being cheap. I personally dont think a crap fitter or a fitter who does not invest in training etc to better themselves (will always be a low cost get what you pay for) installer should benefit from sending there customers here to show them how they are doing them a 'good' deal so i would like to highlight that certificates ect will give you a better guide on what your paying for.

    I would also like to promote fitters that invest in themselves with courses, NVQ's etc and point out that a 'high end' fitter will spend longer doing your job to a higher standard (at least i would like to hope so) and may charge a little more over the average.

    So a bit of feedback on above. What do you think, any suggestions?
     
  2. Trimmer

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    Good idea but as you said, I think there's to much variation.
    Maybe do a min and max along with a national average.
    How about an extra line to say "expect to pay more for a blah blah"
     
  3. mjfl

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    Tea and cake for me.. I'm cheap...
     
  4. dannyboy

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    Think its about time. Obviously materials will vary but a average labour charge would be great. It would give us all a reference to work with. As for the **** fitters, I'm not sure there's any on here ;-)
     
  5. mjfl

    mjfl Well-Known Member

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    I'm off then...
     
  6. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm on here & Im also obnoxious :fart
     
  7. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I can see how it can be helpful for fitters & clients alike to have a reference but also yes hard to do as we found out we all have very different price structures
    Apart from LVT seams to be the exception for some reason ?
     
  8. pf flooring

    pf flooring Well-Known Member

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    Can vary massively ie: on my sub work on carpet id get between £2.5-2.8m2 depending on who you work for, privately im £5m2, and I tend to make it up as I go along on my lvt work depending on how easy the job is/how long it will take me, can vary from £20 up to £40m2 inc. basic prep (just ply/feather or cheap screed).
     
  9. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    o but there is mate. 99% of them dont post and just read. The other 1 % ask odd questions and truly want to improve. There are a few on here posting with the rest of us that wont admit that a couple of years ago they was crap and they have learnt from here and improved. Some of them are now good installers and join us all in conversation. To be fair i dont think there is anyone on the forum who has not learnt and improved because of this website. I for one have learnt a few tips from here.

    To give you a idea of numbers of people who simply read but dont post..... the forum has around 32'000 people per month on here reading. Thats unique users, i say unique as in a new IP address's. In other words most of the 32'000 per month have not been on here before. This forum has a lot more traffic than people realize.

    I think trade members can scroll to bottom and see how many people are on here at anyone point on the main page?
     
  10. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    do you lads want to move this to trade section to set a rate? or do you think this is a bad idea?

    For it to work i think we need to put our heads behind it and cover all angles

    Only problem is if we move to trade area will will loose a lot of input from none trade members.
     
  11. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Thinking about it, B&Q could be a massive help here ! They are telling there customers what the fitters rates are they charge. And to be fair the rates are not far of correct in my eyes. B&Q have gained a massive respect from myself in not following suit of forcing installers to work for peanuts and produce substandard results. B&Q generally want to keep a good to high standard of workmanship. Wish everyone else was as good as them.
     
  12. Wes

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    My vote would be to keep it in the trade area Matt. I just don't think it should be for the public to discuss. I've got no solid reasoning; I just personally feel uneasy about a comprehensive price list being in full view. I might be being a little closed minded here..

    Whatever the general consensus on where it will go, I'd certainly welcome and value a list to use as a good source of reference :yessir
     
  13. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    We will do it as a best of 3 then.

    So 1 for trade. Anyone else want to vote?
     
  14. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I think keep it here at least for now & trade members can discuss in more detail & make decisions in the trade section ! Maybe have a few polls in both sections ?
     
  15. TonyA

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    Definately it has to be trade i think if rates are on show to everyone,this will be used as a ceiling and we will be bid down from there.
     
  16. Neilydun

    Neilydun Well-Known Member

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    I`m happy yo leave it public. Any rates could only be used as a guide anyway, as each job is individual.

    Also, as said, London, and other cities, are a problem. I often pay £30-£40 a day in parking, if you can find a space, and your supposed to move, every two hours.
    £10 congestion charge, and travel time could be 1-2-3 hours, depending on traffic.
    Lot`s of thing`s to factor in there.
     
  17. Lvtman

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    I thought the idea of the post was to inform customers of what they should be paying. If it goes into the trade section then the customers can't see it.

    From working in a shop to fitting I'd say this, and this is my experience, we are always clear with our pricing offering a full break down of costs. If your unhappy for a customer to see a guideline of pricing then I would assume your to expeniciv and charging over the top. Why would you feel uneasy about customers knowing the price when the service you offer is fair?

    I'm not sure customers care about what course you have been on or haven't. Most of our work is reccomendation, the new customer has already seen what we can do and judge from that. I think they just assume because that's your job you know what to do, it's not like a fitter can get a promotion and charge more. We all know the prices when we got into this job and sadly that's not likely to change.

    We never budge on fitting costs , do you guys that are self employed always get the customer trying to knock you down? I think as we are a shop people spect to pay more? I know I would if I was after something. It's always gonna be cheaper buying from someone self employed. 'Man with a van' we expect it to be cheaper they have no premises, less overheads, I think the customer just expects you to be cheaper otherwise there more likely to go to a shop, it's safer. I think these programmes like cowboy builders give 'man with a van' a bad name. To easy to go busy and do a vanishing act on your customer.
     
  18. willo87

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    I think its a good idea, because people who want to learn,
    And spend there own profits on training to be better as you will never stop learning.
    Or tools to do the job the right way,costs alot more,
    Some fitters don't care and do it cheaper and just get it down,
    But people who want to do it the right way and take there time lose out,

    I think leave it on here get a poll and see what everyone wants it to show,

    I think leave it for public

    Sam
     
  19. DM Flooring

    DM Flooring Well-Known Member

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    As a man with a van I take pride in my work. I have a website and ask every customer email me a testimonial once finished. I also rely on them to recommend me to their friends, family and work colleagues.
    When I used to work for a couple of local shops they where always moving the fitting price so they could win the jobs (so they said). It was really frustrating as you would think you were earning so much only to be told another price once the job had been done. Not sure about it being posted in the public section myself.
     
  20. pf flooring

    pf flooring Well-Known Member

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    Like you say if its for the publics benefit as a guide to what to expect to pay then it needs to be in the public area to work but it should be kept behind closed doors until the structure is agreed between the trade members.
     
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