1k turbo coming of screed

Discussion in 'Subfloor Preparation' started by bournemouth, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    I did a job at Christmas the screed was wet 88 - 90% so I 2 coated mapei 1k turbo, I swept and hovered the floor and used a little rad roller for the perimeter and a 12 inch roller for the main area ( it wasnt to thick and never blistered or bubbled ) taking the 1k turbo from a paint tray rather than pour onto floor and then roll out then latexed with screed master 2, f46 then karndean van gogh, but I got a call from them today so poped round because of 3 raised areas about 12 inch by 4 inch, I removed one plank and the latex had blown not a real problem I know but then noticed the 1 k turbo was loose and I could peel some up but it had about 1 - 2mm of sub floor screed stuck to it I've never had a problem with 1k turbo and never seen it like this the sub floor screed When rubbed with a knife just crumbles to powder the piece of turbo I took up like I said has screed stuck to the bottom of it and when I rub it all screed rubs off leaving a thin film of 1k turbo, has anyone had this or know if it's something I have done or would a very week screed mix cause it
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  2. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised if it was the weak screed. Why was it so wet mate? Just drying out or old floor?
     
  3. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    I've put a latex on a screed which was like that once, told the builder it was too soft, he wouldn't listen, the whole latex cracked. Won't be doing that again.
     
  4. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    It was a new extension was about 9 weeks old
     
  5. merit

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    I take it that is well thin because when I've rolled 1k on it almost isn't visible it's so thin.
     
  6. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    Yeah it's really thin it's like rice paper maybe 1/4 mm thick if that, like you said was almost invisible when rolled on
     
  7. merit

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    I've just noticed its 2 coats! One of the Amtico fitters I use to work with would always whack the screed with a hammer and if a big bit Come off he would dig it out and re do it with one of the Ardex products. A33 or 35 I think.
     
  8. Trimmer

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    Did you put 1k straight on to the builders screed or onto a compound you put down?
    If straight onto builders san/cement screed then it could be coming off because of the laitence (crust on the surface) which should be ground off first.

    Just re-read your post - it was 1k on to builders screed - bet its the laitence.
    Did you grind it first?
     
  9. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    I always run over a screed with my buffing machine with 40 grit paper on and never had this before, do you mean this or like a poor grinder / scrabbler ?
     
  10. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    The screed has failed.

    the 1K turbo has the builders base attached to it !

    Hence the base has failed. The 1K turbo has actually done its job as it seems to of penetrated and pulled up more than surface dust / lattice.

    Its not surface lattice as its not a fine layer but looks like a 1-2mm of the concrete surface.

    Builders screed looks substandard.
     
  11. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    This is all new to me as never had it what action should be taken next, the customer has a list as long as her arm of things the builder has bodged can I get it tested can the builder be made to pay for it or is it down to me as I've fitted it this is one that I want to get put right correctly as not only is it a job with my reputation on she is a mum of a child at my daughters school and I see her a lot, I want to put right rather than make good
     
  12. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    Ardex do a hardener that you put on a bit like a resin but if it really weak I reckon your best off digging it out. Not sure how you will tackle the builder. I was lucky as I had already told the builder I thought it would fail and he took the risk. After it all cracked I refused to stick the wood floor down and he ended up plying over the screed and tiling it instead
     
  13. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    1K turbo does as you have suggested mate. However it can only harden a subfloor as deep as it can penetrate it.
     
  14. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    i will show pics to Sid Bourne tomorrow. Im sure he will back you 100% on this.
     
  15. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    I thought you may say that, I only found out about it when I had this problem but didn't fancy taking the risk on it.
     
  16. tarkett85

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    needs digging out and replacing mate, what a surprise a builder who can't make a decent screed.
     
  17. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    Thanks matt the builder in question still owes me £4k for another job that he apparently hasn't got to give me at moment so if I can get anything over on him it will make me smile a little, I'm so happy I no longer do work for this bloke
     
  18. tarkett85

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    christ £4000!!! i'd be around with the boys to get my money.
     
  19. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    I would have to stand in line there's a very long que, but I brought his old house and he has a bit of land next to it where he keeps a lot of materials mini fuel tankers and small diggers very soon they will be missing and I'll sell him identical ones for £4 k :)
     
  20. tarkett85

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    that would be rather funny when he turned up to get something
     

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