lifted laminate and i have a Damp concrete subfloor

Discussion in 'General Flooring Chat' started by thomo2710, Jul 16, 2012.

  1. thomo2710

    thomo2710 Active Member

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    Hi all,

    At the request of dazlight I have been asked to postmyproblem on here.

    The link to my problem is at:

    http://www.diynot.com/forums/floors...nate-floor-and-the-subfloor-is-sodden.330829/

    Apologies if links to other forums are not allowed. I am posting on y phone so copy and paste won't work.
    If I have broken rules I will copy and paste I in the morning.

    Link contains description, pictures and background info of problem.

    What are you guys thoughts?

    Thankyou
     
  2. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    I can confirm this. Had a look at the pics and IMO no dpm under the subfloor. The sheet under the laminate has made the floor sweat.
    What do you think guys?
     
  3. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Hi, i dont have a issue with links to other forums providing they are happy to link with us.

    Im going to reply on DIYnot forum for you as your request fom help started their.
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2012
  4. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    that's rising damp mate, need to dig up subfloor new concrete base, dpm leave 30 days then screed and surface membrane that should help fix the problem. You could asphalt but it will eventually fail one day and you'll need to do it again although it is the cheaper immediate option. also see if you can get a decent gardener look at the outside see if it needs to be re-graded and also check your brick doesn't require re-pointing that can be a massive contributor.
     
  5. thomo2710

    thomo2710 Active Member

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    Ok Matt, thanks.

    Ill copy and paste to this forum Aswell in the morning as top avoid cross posting and confusion.

    Regards
     
  6. thomo2710

    thomo2710 Active Member

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    Yikes........ is there anything that can be done that's less destructive and costly?

    damp proof paint/resin applied or such?
     
  7. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    no sadly not if it is defo rising damp it will push anything without weight back up either curling, cracking etc... the water will find a way through hence the weight of concrete is used to hold the dpm in place or the weight of asphalt is used to stop the water rising. I highly doubt it's as simple as a burst pipe otherwise you'd have noticed it in your water bills, sorry mate.
     
  8. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    that depends on your answers on DIYnot.

    Lads can you reply on DIYnot please. The person has come from Diynot so we should show respect to their forum and reply over their.

    (well providing they are happy to leave the link to us )
     
  9. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    doing it on both mate
     
  10. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Not sweat Daz, it has basically not allowed the moister to escape (because above 75% RH). The underlay is designed to hold back 'sweat' moister that is basically there with the changes in temp and humidity above the subloor. (bit like moister on single glassed windows)


    You should never be able to physically see sweat as it will be absorbed by the subfloor base but protects the wood form absorbing it. As we have actual liquid on them picks its far beyond sweat. Sweat will only be visible on a moister meter.

    That make sense? :confused:
     
  11. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    I meant trap moisture by sweat. Prob not the right way to work it. Seen this on a few jobs in the last few years when I've taken laminate up with a dpm sheet underneath.
     
  12. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    or in my crack like on the course, sticky;)
     
  13. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Trapping moister Daz ;)

    Forget this sweat talk . People with a MMS moister meter, the dew point is basically sweat point.
     
  14. oddbod_jnr

    oddbod_jnr Well-Known Member

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    ok thats not sweating ,there is water penetrating from somewhere either a leak or from outside.
     
  15. vman

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    Looks like a leaking pipe, is the pressure stable on your central heating boiler? Your radiator pipes look like they are fed through the wall, it could be possibly leaking behind the plaster and down onto the floor. I wonder if when the laminate was in installed and skirtings refitted, there has been a nail driven through the pipe where it enters the wall.
     
  16. thomo2710

    thomo2710 Active Member

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    Hello,

    My central heating is under pressure fine, no drops in it at all.
    I replaced all the Cooper pipe on the lower floor and run it all above skirting board level (which I also installed from new)
    So I can all but rule out leaking ch pipes.
    I have Cooper pipe under the floor across the kitchen to living room door way, and that's the only original pipe work that I didn't replace, but again my ch pressure is unaffected.

    So unless is a Mains water pipe, but from where my Mains tap is and the service point in the path outside the house its nowhere near my living room, unless they took am almighty detour.
     
  17. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    dont forget that the boilers 'sealed/ pressured' side is only the CH flow and return. The Hot water in and out is not. Also the overflow and its condensing outlet are not a pressurized system
     
  18. thomo2710

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    The pipe that runs under the floor is for the ch, and links the kitchen rad to the living room rad.

    The hot water pipe work (hot taps) are no where near the living room

    Or have I misunderstood what your saying?
     
  19. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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  20. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    If moisture is rising for a few years and can't get out which is what might have happened. Then I would take the tiles up wait a month so floor can dry then take some damp reading.
     

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