so you fit with you feet flat, toenails to the floor cause there not supposed to be comfortable if your on your toes , nails facing the ceiling. man , this sounds wrong to anyone who doesn't no about these pads. I DONT HAVE A FETISH. [/quote] Yeah mate, toe nails flat to floor and shins fully flat on the floor. The shock goes down through your toes and not up your back. Took me a week to get used to and use all the time. Beware that as they are that big they will pick up every it of junk and a couple of times have had to replace a couple of Karndean Shitetile planks coz I scratched with junk stuck on pads. If you do go for them go for the 1" pads and buy some spare rubber front boots for the front at the same time as they do get dirty if you don't look after them (like me) I wrecked mine a few weeks ago on a screed job and slipped and fell on me arse and never got round to cleaning so have been prepping with them and using inserts when fit so no scratching but will order spares soon. Brian[/quote] ha ha, state of them. that's the only thing, i do the same and kneale in latex i just chuck it in the wash thou pads or trousers suppose you cant do it with them, can you?[/quote] Afraid not mate they are all separate bits screwed together with each component replaceable, I had made up covers for them for the dirty jobs but ended up losing them somewhere.