LVT on concrete with insulation? E. London (also need fitter)

Discussion in 'Vinyl / Impervious floor coverings' started by Chiron, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Chiron

    Chiron Member

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    Hi all.

    I'm planning a refurb of a 1978 ex-council flat in East London. It's our family home and a long term restoration project!
    We're looking to do the entire ground floor in LVT for durability. The ground floor is about 30m^2.

    However the ground floor is a RC concrete slab, cast onto piled foundations and sitting on earth. As a result it acts a as bloody great heatsink and thermal bridge to the ground. I'm not too concerend about losing thermal mass as the ceilings are the same 300mm concrete slab too.

    I'd like to insulate the ground floor either with Celotex or foam boards but I don't want to lose too much ceiling height as i'm 190cm tall and the ceilings are 225cm. I'm aware that some LVT can be laid floating and some has to be glued, what I don't know is what would work as a good underfloor insulation.

    I'm looking for an experienced LVT fitter to advise and also to fit in a couple of months.

    cheers!
     
  2. merit

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    Jumpax original is a good product for insulation. Subfloor needs to be dry enough.
     
  3. Chiron

    Chiron Member

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    Hiya, i've had a look at Jumpax. It looks like a good sound insulator but a poor thermal insulator (they don't even quote thermal values). My issue is thermal insulation not sound insulation.
     
  4. RPB

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  5. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    Yeah it's basically the same as jumpax
    Apparently it has a thermal resistance of 0.13 m2k/w....what ever that means? I know your feet won't be as cold!!
     
  6. Chiron

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    ....

    Basically the higher the resistance the better it is at insulating heat. However some datasheets quote resistance, others quote conductivity. Conductivity is the opposite of resistance so the lower the better:

    Resistance (units are km2/W): Higher is better
    Conductivity (units are W/mk) : Lower is better

    Also to make it more confusing, the industry usually uses U-values

    U-Values (units are W/m²): Lower is better

    :confused:
    Apparently they teach this at GCSE now. which is probably a good thing for the future generation.

    It's all a bit like stereo systems in the 1980's 90's quoting peak power, RMS, PMPO etc. Whatever looks better for marketing!
     
  7. Distinctive Adam

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    The trouble is you will either get one or the other for the type of product your looking to install.....similar to the carpet industry the type of underlay you require to let heat through is basically crap as heat needs to pass through it.....a decision on either or I believe is on the way mate......you buying the materials yourself and just need a fitter or supply and fit?
     
  8. Chiron

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    Hiya,

    I'd rather do the basic stripout and let the fitter supply their preferred LVT. What i'm looking for is a good thermal insulation that is compatible with LVT. It seems some underfloor heating insulation materials would work too. They basically stop heat going "down" but allow it to go "up." That would work to stop the concerete conducting all the heat out of the property and into the ground.
     
  9. Chiron

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    Just stumbled across the Superhomes site which has lots of guidance for conrete floors and other insulation materials
     
  10. Distinctive Adam

    Distinctive Adam Well-Known Member

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    I may know a fitter that can supply and fit that could help you
     
  11. Chiron

    Chiron Member

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    Decided: Versilay it is.

    Turns out it's got better themal properties than the green fibreboards.

    Now need a fitter who can supply and fit 30m^2 of Versilay and Karndean in East London!
     
  12. Distinctive Adam

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    Yeah versilay / jumpax would have been my suggestion
     
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  13. Chiron

    Chiron Member

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    Hi all, i'm looking for a fitter now. Any suggestions? I'm in E1 near Aldgate/Tower Hill
     
  14. Profflooring

    Profflooring Well-Known Member

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    Do good smooth screed (make sure there is not damp) and fit on top thick plywood -12mm plus and use f3 to glue it plus plenty screws to the concrete . If you have problem with the main door just fit entrance mat there.
     
  15. Distinctive Adam

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    F3 to glue what? Tiles?
     
  16. Profflooring

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    using f3 to glue the plywood the the concrete and tight it with screws. If you not use glue the ply will be bounce to the concrete, but the floor must to be smooth. I did it few time and its working good and keeps the LVT/LVP away from the concrete. It is 2/3 degrees celsius wormer then the normal concrete.
     
  17. dannyboy

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    ^^^^completely not the way to go !!!!
     
  18. Profflooring

    Profflooring Well-Known Member

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    What is wrong with this way? On this picture is an example.
     
  19. Distinctive Adam

    Distinctive Adam Well-Known Member

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    Pro floors where you do your sub floor training ?
     
  20. Profflooring

    Profflooring Well-Known Member

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    Hi. We talking for an idea not for flooring rules! I don't know why you ask me for floor training? So what do you mean? You newer see some one to fit plywood 18mm on the screed with 10cm screws by 20cm gap? (18mm not 6m)
     

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