Ply for karndean

Discussion in 'Vinyl / Impervious floor coverings' started by iandv, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Oh dear ? Clear or translucent silicone is used to hide bad cutting as it blends the colour of the planks to the skirts so its less noticeable when its cut short or messy !

    The whole floor should be rollered in both directions also ?

    These clowns don't know what their doing Sorry ?
     
  2. iandv

    iandv Well-Known Member

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    So what should we say to the retailer? What are the solutions ?

    With regard to rolling is this just installer specific and some installers do not do it?
     
  3. dazlight

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    Clean won't hide much though. They should of used white.
     
  4. dazlight

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    Could he of used a hand roller?
     
  5. iandv

    iandv Well-Known Member

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    Not sure I was in work my wife was there and didn't stand over him, what difference does it make if he didn't use a roller, he might have used his hand, after the job was completed we were also told to walk on it straight away?

    All we are after now is dome guidance on what we need to say they are coming back to rectify any issues we have
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2013
  6. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    No all installers should use a roller or a hand roller in smaller areas
     
  7. dazlight

    dazlight Super Moderator

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    Well no planks shown be sticking up more then a 1mm
    No adheisve should be on the floor either. He should of cleaned any off.
    I don't seal the floor myself just leave a cleaning kit and explain how it should be done.

    Like a lot have said on here. The fitter might of had a off day, he might of been rushing but in any case he should make it right. At the end of each job I spend a few minutes checking everything before I go as I hate being called back.
     
  8. DM Flooring

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    Basically anything your not happy with complain about. Also to me the silicone is a big no no. As Spacey said it just blends the colour of the floor into the skirting. If cut in properly it shouldn't of been needed. Sorry your having these issues. I use a 70kg steel roller on my jobs but it can be rolled with a hand roller with body weight. It presses the lvt into the glue to get a good adhesion. (Only way I can think to put it.)
     
  9. iandv

    iandv Well-Known Member

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    With the roller if this hasn't been used which I don't think it has what can you do about it now that the floor has been laid?

    Same with the silicone ? On some posts it says that installers use silicone to allow fir expansion/contraction http://theflooringforum.com/showthread.php?4502-karndean-advice

    Too late now as well I suppose but with the screws we asked him to put down in the ply these were not screeded over, is that ok? I just want all the facts for when they come back to rectify
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2013
  10. Lvtman

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    Should be rolled but I bet there's a lot of people who don't. With pressure sensitive adhesive I don't think it's as big an issue. If he did roll it tho he would have picked up on the raised edges.

    Most likely is a sliver of karndean under there, Easily rectified.

    The silicone isn't a massive issue if he's done it properly. What I would say is tho anyone who takes there time and wants to do it proper wouldn't use silicone. If I turn up to a job and see the stuff I automatically think it's been fitted by someone who either doesn't do much lvt or is either in a rush and wants to save time cutting in properly. Unless for some reason the customer requests it. A lot of the time they do in a bathroom. Even went to a job last week and the guy has silicones the bottom of the kick boards lol , but he had also fitted it on tackifier.

    I'd probably say to them to rectify the raised ones and if you don't like the silicone get them to remove it, the stuff with look horrible over time and need replacing, a lot sooner than your karndean will. If the company say the silicone is normal ask them to phone karndean. Karndean will tell them it's not needed, so if they didn't ask if you wanted it then it should be removed.


    The guarantee gets emailed to the shop. Can sometimes take a week or two
     
  11. coolevilangel

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    ive seen plenty floors that havnt been rolled using the 70kg, and they have been ok
    silicone, personally id have it ripped up, looks awful
    when i have to silicone, (wc's etc) i always smooth it down, so, effectively you dont really notice its there
    All its there for is to stop any water etc penetrating, nothing else
    certainly nothing as heavy handed as that in the pics
    But it may be the installers method of doing it, which i have seen before too
     
  12. merit

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    I never used a roller for lvt can't see the point. I sometimes use clear silicone but never leave it like that, should be smoothed out.
     
  13. Distinctive Adam

    Distinctive Adam Well-Known Member

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    I'd be disappointed if a reconized distinctive/mflor accredited installer had done any of what I've seen to one of our clients.
     
  14. G.W Flooring

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    I always put a bit of clear round. Its how i was shown but i was always told to never cut the noozle on the silcone so you only put down a very small amount and to smooth it out. As for rolling i tend to generaly use a PS adhesive so just roll with a hand roller ( well the boys does)

    First pic dare i say looks like its been heated? And the other i agree with dave looks like a but of grit under it. Just my thoughts though
     
  15. DM Flooring

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    I was taught to always roll the floor as it gives a better adhesion. In certain circumstances I will use clear silicone but nothing like what's been done there. Its would be such a small bead you hardly see it. But again I rarely need to.
     
  16. iandv

    iandv Well-Known Member

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    I think it has been heated is that ok?
     
  17. Lvtman

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    Karndean will tell you no, but tbh I'm sure we have all heated a tile now and again for what ever reason. Doesn't look like there's any need to there tho as it's just a straight cut on a wall? Either way no biggy to fix.


    Just take comfort in the fact that if this is your only issues then it's not to bad. Seen a lot worse.
     
  18. Nemo

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    You say karndean say don't do it but I did the course about 3/4 years ago. When asking about the best fitting around
    A bog pan or round architraves the guy pulled out his heat gun and starting slashing away I was shocked but he said that's the way we do it.
     
  19. Nemo

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    You say karndean say don't do it but I did the course about 3/4 years ago. When asking about the best fitting around
    A bog pan or round architraves the guy pulled out his heat gun and starting slashing away I was shocked but he said that's the way we do it.
     
  20. Nk1

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    i did karndean about 2 years ago and I asked him about toilets because I was heating the tile up, he told us 3 methods and one was to heat it up so I disagree that karndean don't teach you that.
     

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