Problems with karndean

Discussion in 'Vinyl / Impervious floor coverings' started by Carys, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. Carys

    Carys Member

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    Can anyone help please?
    We have had karndean fitted in our home by very experienced fitter in November 2014 over most of ground floor. It is an old house which had a lot of rising damp so builder dug up old floors and installed damp course and new floor with underfloor heating. The subfloor was poured over underfloor heating pipes and heating left on for 4-6 weeks before fitter was happy that moisture levels had come down to acceptable level. He came over every week to measure with a hand held device. He then painted a green coloured primer over subfloor and then latex before gluing karndean on. The job looked great until we noticed karndean lifting, initially under 4 doors between rooms. When tiles lifted, latex had stuck to tile but had lifted from the subfloor. There was a crack in the subfloor under 3 of the doors and installer thought this was cause of karndean lifting as there was no dampness. However, it has now lifted in two more places :the hall ( away from any door) and again latex stuck on karndean but has come off the floor. it is also lfiting at one edge but here the tile has lifted from the latex and the latex is stuck to the floor. He has checked moisture levels again with hand held device and they are just about ok. There is no visible dampness on tiles or subfloor and no damp smell. he says he will use another more sophisticated device now to measure the moisture which has to be left for two days to take a reading. We are all baffled....any suggestions welcome.
    Thank you
     
  2. Trimmer

    Trimmer Well-Known Member

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    Find out what screed the builder put over the underfloor heating pipes.
     
  3. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    Was it a liquid cement? How deep was it poured?
     
  4. Carys

    Carys Member

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    Anhydrite sceed came ready mixed and applied from hose
     
  5. pf flooring

    pf flooring Well-Known Member

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    did he grind it?
     
  6. DM Flooring

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    What screed/primer did he use over the Anhydrite as in make and manufacturer. Can only use certain screeds over Anhydrite.
     
  7. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    By the sound if it he didn't ?
     
  8. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Pl31 I'd say Dave Not suitable

    But if the fitter aint grinded the top off its going to fail anyway
     
  9. DM Flooring

    DM Flooring Well-Known Member

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    I know but be interesting to found out what materials were used.
     
  10. Carys

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    Not grinder used just painted a green primer on then latex but don't know what type.
     
  11. Trimmer

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    Check with the builder what type of screed was pumped in. This is essential information.

    If we don't know then we're just guessing. Most of us suspect what the problem is and the cause but we have to know what screed was pumped in. Otherwise we could give advice that is incorrect.
     
  12. Bow Flooring

    Bow Flooring Well-Known Member

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    They said anhydrite trimmer
     
  13. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    Anhydrate mr Trimmer or are you wanting specific manufacturers? A surface scanning moisture meter is useless on these
     
  14. Bow Flooring

    Bow Flooring Well-Known Member

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    Needs to be grinded to remove the lattice which happens during drying
    The lattice should also be removed to aid drying
     
  15. pf flooring

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    P131 has been used unless anybody else knows of another green primer, id also bet top dollar that he has used a cement based screed too, could be/probably the case that the fitter didn't realise what he was up against!
     
  16. Trimmer

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    Oops. Just reread thread.

    P131 is a common green primer. Not compatible with anhydrite though.
     
  17. hobbit

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    Sorry to say it sounds like the latince hasn't been removed.
    Anhydrire is fairly new to the domestic building trade and unfortunately some tilers and flooring men are being caught out with this.
    Some are saying it upto the builder to remove the latince, either way the flooring contractor should have checked before fitting.
     
  18. Rugmunching

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    Time to get the whole lot dug up and start from scratch...
    Wonder who is going to fork out for this one :eek:
     
  19. merit

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    Anhydrite takes ages to dry out too!! It dries patchy and from the top down. I'm sure the heating would of helped dry it but from my experience it's a long wait untill fully dry
     
  20. pf flooring

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    will fall up mostly, grind the top check its dry and try again :)
     

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